Wednesday 28 March 2012

Choosing a Water Purifier


I purchased an Aquaguard iNOVA UV purifier in 2004, and now after nearly eight years it was time to change it. No maintenance has ever been carried out on the Aquaguard, even though based in Bangalore, no one from Aquaguard had ever visited in the last 8 years to service the water purifier, including the period it was under warranty. The purifier happily churned out 'purified water', I do not know how effective it was in purifying water, since none of the internal components had ever been serviced or changed in the last 8 years. However, the lights on the Purifier have always turned from red to yellow to green when switched on, which according to Eureka Forbes, indicates everything is good to go and purified water flowing from the Aquaguard was safe to drink. The only thing that did stop working was the music, the device decided to stop playing music when the water flowed after a few years.

So I began to do some research on the types of purifiers available in the market today. The most popular purifier manufacturers appeared to be Kent, Zero B (Ion Exchange), Aquaguard (Eureka Forbes) and Pureit (Hindustan Unilever). Others available included Philips, Whirlpool, Tata and Nasaka.   It also seemed that Reverse Osmosis (RO) purifiers were becoming more popular, even though they were much more expensive than the UV filters,  usually costing more than twice the  price of the most expensive UV filters.

I initially shortlisted Kent and Zero B, Kent had  the most print and TV ad presence. Hema Malini and her daughters extolling the virtues of Kent frequently made appearances on TV ad spots and in full page colour ads in mainstream magazines. Zero B was made by a company (Ion Exchange) that was an old name in the water purification business.

I first needed to decide whether to go for another UV based purifier or go for an RO based purifier. My research indicated that UV purifiers could remove bacteria and viruses but not other contaminants like nitrates, arsenic, fluorides, mercury etc.. Also, UV filters would not reduce the amount of total dissolved solid (TDS) in the water.  The most logical thing for me to do would be to get my water tested (which is a combination of corporation water and bore well water) and see whether it did contain any of the contaminants like insecticides, pesticides, nitrates, arsenic etc. to warrant an RO purifier. I did call up a couple of Water testing laboratories and they they said they could do water testing and give a report in 4 - 5 days. But lethargy prevented me from doing so, however I did purchase a TDS meter, an  HM Digital TDS-3 for around Rs.800/-. The TDS meter indicated that my water had a TDS content of between 250 - 300, the readings varied on different days, I presume based on the quality of the water being supplied.   

I decided to go in for an RO bases purifier, even though literature on the internet indicated that there was not need to go in for an RO purifier if the TDS was less than 500. However, since I did not know the nature of the contaminants in my water supply, I decided it would be safer to go for a RO unit rather than a UV based unit.

I requested for a home demo from Kent and Zero B, a salesman from Zero B arrived within a couple of days, checked the TDS which indicated a count of around 300 and then proceeded to demonstrate the impurities in both the tap water and the Aquaguard filtered water by dipping electrodes (he told me the rods were aluminium and iron) in both samples of water, and when the power was switched on after a few seconds gooey frothy brown stuff magically collected on the surface and at the bottom of the two glasses. Impressive. However, when I asked him what the brown stuff was, he just said they were impurities. He could not provide any detailed explanation of  what it was. I searched on the internet but could not find any further information. So it was inconclusive, I have no idea what reaction the electrodes caused, whether it was of any significance or whether the demonstration was part of a snake oil salesman's sales pitch. The two photographs below show  how the water looked after electrodes were put in the tap water and Aquaguard filtered water.




The Kent RO Purifier was a RO + UF +UV  purifier, therefore theoretically provided the best of both worlds. The RO membrane would get rid of all the contaminants and the UV filter would get rid of the viruses and bacteria that were not removed by the RO membrane. The Zero B purifier had a seven stage purification method, with 4 stages of purification before going through the RO membrane. This appeared to be a plus point to me, since only filtered water would go to the RO membrane, unlike the Kent RO models where tap water was going directly to the RO membrane.


The Kent RO schematic in the image below shows that raw water goes directly to the RO membrane without any filtering which would potentially reduce the life of the RO membrane increasing ongoing maintenance costs.

Kent RO Schematic

The Zero B approach appeared to have a more effective design as only filtered water was processed  by the  RO membrane resulting in a longer lasting RO membrane, also the Zero B purifier has an auto flush mechanism for the RO membrane, cleaning it periodically which would enhance the life of the RO membrane. However, the Zero B purifier had no UV filter, so I wondered how effective the other 6 filters on Zero B were. Were they better than or equal to UV treatment of water. So though I was leaning towards the Zero B purifier, I was still undecided.

I then remembered a news report that had appeared a few years ago where a Government agency had carried out tests on several Indian water purifiers and only very few had passed the test. So I decided to see if I could locate this report. After scouring the net, I was finally able to locate the report. The test had been conducted by the National Institute of Virology (NIV), Pune and was published in the August 2009 issue of 'Tropical Medicine and International Health' journal. The link to the report is Virological evaluation of domestic water purification devices commonly used in India.
 
The 8 units that had been reviewed were :

Model reviewed                  Company           Price (Rs.)  Log Removal Value
Unit 1 - Iodine Resin filter    Zero B               295            2.20
Unit 2 - Dual Filter            Eureka Forbes       6750            2.51
Unit 3 - Filter + Chlorine      Orpat               1750            1.52
Unit 4 - Filter + UV            Krystalle           2990            1.45
Unit 5 - Carbon + EICD          Eureka Forbes        690            1.70
Unit 6 - Polyester + Carbon     Anjali B             205            0.21
Unit 7 - Hollow fibre membrane  Aqua Plus           5900            6.53
Unit 8 - Gravity fed filter     Hindustan Unilever  1800            6.53

The institute checked the purifiers for removal of the Hepatitis E virus, and only units 7 & 8 managed to remove all viruses during the purification process. All the other units only managed to partially remove the virus to varying degrees after purification.  The Zero B filter removed removed 2.2 log which wasn't too bad, since in the Zero B RO system that I was considering, the Iodine filter was filter number 7 and presumably the other 6 filters would remove the viruses.  What surprised me was the lack of effectiveness of the UV filter by Krystalle (only a 1.45 log removal). The Krystalle UV purifier uses an 8 watt UV lamp (see link). The UV filter tested was by a relatively unknown manufacturer, but still the lack of effectiveness of UV was a surprise. Since a specific UV strength is required to destroy different micro-organisms, I had no idea whether the 11 watt UV light on Kent RO+UV system was sufficient to provide the required micro watts seconds per centimetre squared to effectively kill all micro-organisms. See the following link for UV dosage required to kill micro-organisms - UV light to destroy micro-organisms Since I was considering the Kent RO + UV purifier, there was no specific literature on the Kent website, regarding the efficacy their UV filter against specific  bacteria/ viruses and because tap water was going straight to the RO filter, which would in all probability reduce the life of the RO filter which is the most expensive component in RO filters which needs to be replaced periodically, resulting in increased maintenance costs, I decided remove the Kent UV + RO filter from my shortlist.   

Since the review by NIV indicated that Hindustan Unilever's Pureit Gravity fed filter was successful in removing the all the Hepatitis E virus during the purification process , I added the Pureit water purifiers to my shortlist. Pureit was cheap, required no electricity  and out performed the other more expensive units. However, since the Pureit gravity fed filter would not reduce TDS or other contaminants, I shortlisted the Pureit Marvella RO water filter. The HUL website does mention that 'Each Pureit device meets USA Environment Protection Agency’s (EPA) stringent germ kill criteria which recommends log 6, log 4 and log 3 reduction of harmful bacteria, viruses & disinfectant resistant parasites respectively' and the NIV test did confirm a log 6 reduction in the Hepatitis E virus for the Pureit Classic model. The NIV test did only check efficacy against only one Virus, but at least the Pureit purifier passed it.

Now what does log 6, log 4 and log 3 reduction represent?. My research led me to understand that log values are used in the water treatment industry to express the level of removal of biological contaminants from water. A 6 log reduction represents a 99.9999% reduction in contaminants, a 5 log reduction represents 99.999% reduction, a 4 log reduction represents a 99.99% reduction and a 3 log reduction represents a 99.9% log reduction in contaminants and so on an so forth.

The US EPA standard for removal of pathogens from water requires removal of bacteria, 6 logs (i.e. 99.9999%) or better, viruses, 4 logs (99.99%) or better and parasites, 3 logs (99.9%) or better. HUL mentions that all its Pureit products meet the above standards and the NIV test confirms a 6 log removal of the Hepatitis E virus. None of the competing manufacturers mention this in any of their literature or on their websites, or if there is any information on this I could not locate any information. The Kent site indicates that they have WQA Gold certification. But what did this Gold Certification represent? Visiting the WQA site shows that Kent does have certification for RO systems for reducing very specific set of contaminants (barium, fluoride, lead nitrate, nitrite, Pentavalent Arsenic <= 50 ppb reduction, TDS, with the caveat that the 'System tested and certified with raw water bypass (control) valve in the closed position. TDS reduction will vary if the TDS control valve is open. Nitrate & Nitrite reduction claims are only valid with the TDS bypass control valve closed so that the full TDS reduction is in effect'), which basically meant that if the TDS control valve is open, the efficacy of the purifier would be compromised.  The link to the WQA site is  Kent WQA certification but there is nothing on virus, bacteria, and parasite removal. This provided me further affirmation that my decision  not to consider the Kent RO purifier was correct.

So as a result of all my research I decided to go for the HUL Pureit Marvella RO unit. Although, the model I was considering purchasing was not the one reviewed by NIV, the HUL literature on their website confirmed that all Pureit models met US EPA's standards. Also, like the Zero B model the water  passed through filters before going through the RO membrane.


Pureit Marvella RO Schematic


The tap water passed through 3 filters - a pre-sediment filter, an activated carbon filter and a post sediment filter  before being going through the RO membrane. Since water was being processed by the RO membrane only after passing through 2 sediment filters this would  increase the life of the RO membrane and reduce ongoing maintenance costs. Also, my research on the internet indicated that an activated carbon filter before the RO membrane traps organic chemicals and chlorine, which can attack and degrade reverse osmosis membranes (see wikipedia link). In the Pureit RO purifier, as you can see in the diagram above, water has pass through the activated carbon filter before the reaching the RO membrane.  The Pureit RO purifier has an advertised  800 hour life span for the RO and UVM membranes and 400 hour life span for the Carbon and sediment filters.  An 800 hour life span of the RO membrane, meant that the RO membrane should last me for at least 2 - 3 years.

The Pureit Marvella RO unit was also cheaper than the Kent Grand + (list price Rs.16500) and Zero B Emerald (list price Rs. 15990) purifiers, with a list price of Rs. 13500 which I was able to get for Rs. 12500.

So I did purchase the Pureit Marvella RO water purifier and it appears to be working well. A TDS check on the water post purification is less than 25. Only time will tell whether there will have any problems with the purifier and will update this page give an update on any issues faced.

Long term Use Update (9th May 2013) : I have now been using the Marvella RO purifier for more than a year, around 13 and a half months. It have been uneventful, the purifier has been working without any issues and I therefore have not had the opportunity to evaluate the quality of their service, either for fixing a problem or for replacing any of the cartridges. A TDS check on the purified water shows a TDS reading of less than 25 ppm.  I will update this page, when I do have to call service either to change the cartridge or fix a problem, and report on the quality of the service provided.
 
Long term Use Update (7th November 2014) : A couple of days ago, the purifier outlet pipe began dripping water even after the purifier tank was filled up. I called up the Marvella customer service number and they said a technician would come to repair the purifier within 48 hours. The technician came the next day and said the solenoid value needed to be changed. The cost of replacing the solenoid value was Rs. 650/- and the service charge was 250/-.Therefore I spent a total of 900 rupees for changing the solenoid valve which fixed the leak problem. While he was there I asked him what cost of the taste modulator. He said it would cost Rs. 800/- .  I decided to get the taste modulator fitted just to try it out.The taste modulator was fixed on the next day. Don't notice much change in the taste of the water.

Photograph of the faulty solenoid valve which was replaced :





 

450 comments:

  1. did u check out the permionics ultafileration purifiers and tata swach? what are you opinions regarding them?

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    1. No I did not check out Permionics since I have not heard about them before. I did not include Tata swach in my short list of water since I dont think they had an RO water purifier, which was what I had decided to purchase

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    2. To a layman, it seems a well researched article, but I've a media and advtg background (have also worked closely with HUL) and am quite aware how media savvy cos. esplly the ones with large budgets, play with un-conventional media to promote their brands.

      With due respect (without casting any aspersions) your article seems clinically correct, seems like the PR agency of HUL in conjuction with the QC dept has written it, what we call 'advertorial' in media lingo. It seems to highlight all aspects of a water filter, purely from HUL's perspective, moreover you haven't identified yourself (apart from claiming you're from Bangalore)and clarified your bonafides.
      I kinda feel like taking it with a pinch of salt.

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    3. And moreover, in your whole blog you have just one post - which provides more evidence that this blog was written as an advertorial and not a personal experience written in a personal blog!

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    4. Your article seems to be well researched. I would like to ask you two points.
      1. I was told RO systems are an EXTREME type of water filter. The nano-filtration removes everything in the water to that extend not even essential minerals are left in the purified water.
      2. The water becomes more acidic; whereas body needs alkaline water.
      Moreover if an RO purifier membrane is to protected from you need to connect only a pre-filter which removes all deposits before you feed to RO.

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    5. 1. I do understand that RO purifiers can remove nearly all minerals, however with the Marvella RO purifier you can opt for the Taster modulator cartridge, which adds back minerals to the water after going through the RO filter ( see schematic diagram).

      2. The Marvella RO comes with two filters, a carbon filter and a sediment filter before the RO filter. A activated carbon filter is needed to remove chemicals which might attack the RO membrane.

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  2. Where did you get pureit for 12500?

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    1. I called the HUL helpline 1860 1801 000 for a demo and I purchased it from the dealer they sent. If you are based in Banglaore you can contact the dealer Kesar Appliances 41143320 / 9945293222.

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  3. You had done a thorough analysis before your purchase. Very impressive and the way you shared the details awesome!
    What are the annual maintenance charges for Pureit Marvella RO?

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    1. I have not enquired on their AMC. I was more concerned about how often the RO membrance would have to be replaced, since that is the most expensive consumable on a RO filter. The rated life of the RO membrance being 800 hours, I calculated that it would last me for several years, since I dont think the filter is used for even half an hour a day. However, only time will tell.

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  4. I sincerely appreciate your time in writing this blog. What do you recommend for Chennai? The water here has left deposits so harsh that the taps, sink and tiles have turned white in color and even rusted. I am looking to get a RO+UV purifier. But after reading your TDS meter and readings I'm baffled.

    Could you suggest any ideas?

    Thanks!

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    1. If your water has a high TDS content you can go for a RO unit, the Pureit RO Water purifier will work for waterwith a TDS level of upto 2000 ppm. You can check the efficacy of other RO units by Kent, Zero B, Aquaguard etc. from their respective websites.

      I did not go in for a RO+UV unit because I was unsure on the the effectiveness of the UV lamps on the water purifiers. None of the websites were able to give me enough confidence that the UV lamps on their units were effective. The Krystalle UV unit checked by NIV, was not effective in destroying the Hepatitis B virus.

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  5. Excellent research.

    Lots of doubts clarified.

    Thanks

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  6. One bloody good reasearch and very helpful for anyone looking for the water purifier..Although the decision to choose final one is personal,this effort can certainly educate many of us on what to look for and how to decide purchase of a good and suitable water purifier

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  7. Great posting ! Thank you... Having bought a Kent RO less than a year ago, I have had two break downs and the most indifferent service department. As of this moment, the filter has been down 27 days and I am yet to have it fixed. So, if any one is considering Kent I would advise you to watch out...Don't be fooled by Hema Malini !

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  8. great research !! I appreciate it a lot. I was wondering as to why you did not buy a RO + UV based one, when u are so keen on the specificities. The 11 watts mentioned in Kent is more than sufficient to kill viruses. I m a biotechnologist and i pretty much know on the amount of UV required to deactivate microbes.

    Most regulatory bodies now specify a fluence or UV dose of 40 mJ/cm2 (note that 1 mWs = 1 mJ and 1000 mWs = 1 Watt) to assure at least 4 logs inactivation of any pathogenic microorganisms. Since the fluence or UV dose applied is independent of the medium, this requirement would also apply to air.

    So what kent supplies is 11 watts which is 11,000 mWs. This is like huge man.

    I would have almost gone for kent RO + UV, but for a fact that UV either kills or mutates a microbes making is ineffective to cause disease. Yet a microbe is a microbe. So taking a microbe inside ur body in its natural form is always better than consuming a mutated version. Atleast original forms of microbes do have medicines and cures!!!!

    I would also go for pureit RO marvella itself....
    Thanks for all the help

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    1. The reason I had doubts on the efficacy of the Kent UV filter was because of how poorly the Krystalle UV filter performed in the NIV study, only a 1.45 log reduction was achieved by this filter, I think the Krystalle has a 8 Watt lamp. I also understood from my research that the flow rate of the water through the UV filter had an effect on how effective the UV lamp was in killing microbes. Since no information was available, the Kents 11w uv lamp could also be only partially effective in killing microbes.

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    2. Additionally, the 11w Kent UV lamp would in all probability represents the input wattage, the UV output wattage would be considerably lower. From some websites I understand that the output wattage depends on the type of UV lamp used - for low-pressure UV lamps approximately 38 percent of their input watts is converted while for medium-pressure UV lamps the output 8 percent of input wattage. I could not find any information is available on the type of UV lamp used by Kent.

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  9. this really is super useful reading.

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  10. But the Pureit Models do not have a UV Filter in them.

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    1. Purit kills microbes/germs by spreading chlorine into the water, later it removes any excess chlorine from the water before pouring it out for you, so no need of UV filter. Does Pureit water have little bit of chlorine, by the way?

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    2. The Pureit RO water filter does not use chlorine, the RO Filter uses an RO membrane and a UVM membrane to remove contaminants from water.

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  11. Thank you very much for taking the time to post this blog. This really helped us in selecting a water filter system for our family, very well written.

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  12. Anyway thanks for your comments and its reply.I am sure this blog is definitely created by Hindustan Unilever.The writeup is definitely theirs and they are pretending as if they are creating awareness for the prospective buyers.Anyway keep on doing I am still unconvinced about your intention.

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    1. This blog is just a recount of what I peronally experienced when I went about purchasing a new water purifier. You can do your own research and might come to a totally different conclusion and decide to purchase another water purifier from another manufacturer which you feel better suits your requirements.

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  13. Great Post, very helpful. Model of well researched article.

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  14. Amazing post.. great research.

    Thanks a ton.

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  15. Hello,

    I appreciate your research, however would like to know where did you get the names of the Brand as the NIV,Pune have not mentioned any Brand-Name in their report.

    Thank you.

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    1. I got the names of the brands from another web link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/karmayog/message/66388 is one of them.

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  16. Great research and thanks for publishing this. It helps reduce a lot of effort for people on the lookout for a good water purifier , a critical requirement in Bangalore due to the dependency on borewell water in most areas

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  17. Geophilanderer13 June 2012 at 16:09

    Great research man!
    Kudos for the persistance on comparision & finding out the real comparison on your own. Definitely helpful.
    Since you have done the research yourself, I have a Q that I think you can answer: I dont have a 24x7 waterline and need to store potable water, would you know Pureit classic is a good filter?
    It looks ok to me except that it uses chlorine to kill bacteria. Will that be an problem?

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    1. My research focussed on RO filters, since that is what I had decided to purchase and I dont know much about gravity fed filters. I think the Pureit Classic filter, has a polisher after the chlorine filter to remove any traces of chlorine in the water. I dont know about how effective the gravity fed filters are in removing chemicals like arsenic, nitrates, nitrites and other contaminants from water, which could be an issue if you are using borewell water.

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  18. Fantastic research...I would go in for Pureit too.

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  19. First of all thanks for this detailed research. Kudos!!!

    Btw, have couple of q's, hope you could answer. Would like to know:

    If it works fine with saline water and water mixed with small water borne insects during rainy season?

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    1. Being an RO filter it should work fine with saline water, though I have not tested this. The insects should get blocked by the sediment filters. However, the internal diameter of the inflow pipe provided by Pureit for connecting the water supply from the tap to the filter is quite narrow (maybe around 4 mm) so there could be possibility of insects get stuck in the pipe and blocking the flow of water, it would maybe be prudent to filter out insects through some other means, rather than relying on purifier to do so.

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  20. Could you let know what amount of water is wasted in this purification process?

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    1. The amount of water wasted is around 70%

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  21. I appreciate your efforts in making a purchase decision, really great!. Thanks for sharing.
    It would be more helpful if you can also share your usage experience.

    - Sathees

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    1. Its been 3 months since I have purchased the purifier, and till day it has been working without any problem. I will update this blog, when I do have any issue with the purifier.

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  22. Great Research! Great Blog! Thanks a lot!

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    1. Pureit Marvella RO will work in Trichy if the TDS count in your water is less than 2000

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  24. The main problem with HUL is their poor After-Sales Service. A number of negative reports can be found on the net. Please let us know your experience with the after-sales when you come across it.

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  25. Hi,

    I had purchased Kent water purifier four years back. After reading this blog I checked the sequence of flow in that & noticed even in Kent water was being processed by the RO membrane only after passing through 2 filters(sediment & carbon). Also I checked the manual provided by Kent which also states the above flow. I don't how did you conclude that in Kent raw water goes directly to the RO membrane without any filtering? Can you please comment on that?

    Thanks & Regards,
    Himanshu

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    1. I concluded that raw water goes directly to the RO membrance from the information at the Kent site. You may go to http://www.kent.co.in/product/waterpurifiers_kentgrand.aspx and check the water flow schematic at their web site. I have no idea if their earlier models had sediment and carbon filters - however if they do have the sediment and carbon filters there is no information about them on their current RO models on their website.

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  26. Great research, exactly what I required. I am also using Eureka Forbes Aqua Guard from several years. But I am having suspicions on the level of purity of water.

    Couple of questions:

    1. I want to get my water tested, Ion Exchange Ltd. is nearest to me. However, I wonder if they will offer an unbiased result since they own Zero B brand.

    2. Zero B and Kent have been on my radar, however, from what I gathered after reading reviews Kent provides really bad service, need to check on Zero B.

    2.1 Speaking of Zero B, I noticed that the study was on a single filter "Iodine Resin filter" system. Did you further check on the efficacy of their 8 filter system?

    2.2 Speaking of UV filtration, since Pureit doesn't have it and there is no easy way to test micro-organisms in water (unlike TDS), do you there is a real need for UV filter?

    I am looking at your schematic of Pureit and I would like to know the filter which will actually remove the micro-organisms.

    4. On a last note, the TDS meter looks impressive, however, a quick online search didn't show me any near my place (East Bangalore). May I know where you obtained it?

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    1. 1. I dont think there should be an issue getting it checked by Ion Exchange - just dont tell them that it is Aquaguard filtered water.

      2.1 - I have not checked the efficacy of the 6 filters of the Zero B system. I think that a good quality RO membrane should be good enough the other filters just for peace of mind.

      2.2 - I think if the UV filter was powerful enough to kill the microorganisms, it would we good to have. However, seeing the inefffectiveness of the Krystalle UV filter, in all probabilty it just adds to the cost of the purifier without giving effective benefit. Tthe size of pores in RO membrane being 0.0001 micron and micro organisms being larger than .0001 microns, viruses and bacteria should be prevented from passing through the membrane.

      4. Ebay

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  27. On a related note, I see few negative reviews here http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Choosing-a-Water-Filter-review-qrqsnlptlm and http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Choosing-a-Water-Filter-review-mnousqqrqm

    I believe the "battery" they are referring to is for non-electrical filter of same brand? and the electrical version doesn't require it (and also doesn't chlorinate the water).

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    1. Yes, those reviews refer to the other models. The RO filter does not chlorinate water.

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  28. Thank you for the informative write-up.

    I would like to know the effect of RO based systems for health as this method removes the minerals needed that are available in the water.

    Have you done any research on this and in particular how the HUL Marlvell RO performs in retaining the needed minerals?

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    1. The Marvella RO purifier does not do anything to retain needed minerals, so using RO systems could be a concern due to the removal of minerals.

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  29. Great efforts and most important is willingness of sharing information with everyone.

    Thanks a million. I am also thinking of buying the same. What a gr8 mouth publicity of HUL water purifier....

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  30. than you very much for sharing the information.very useful.

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  31. Really good review.... got few q's
    1)how essential it is to retain needed minerals in purified water? have u done any study on this. also
    2)what is the price of RO membrane? 800hrs means approx 33 months. so does that mean, you need to replace it every 3yrs..

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    1. 1. No I have not done any study on this.

      2. Yes, that is what I am hopting for

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  32. whats the price for RO membrane?

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  33. Thanks for your thorough work. I am confused between Pureit Marvella RO and Aquaguard Total Enhance. Technically which one is better. Price wise more or less similar. Both are RO based. The + with Aquaguard is service...Can you please elaborate...

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    1. dont have any information on the Aquaguard RO purifier since I did not include it in my shortlist.

      I can give you information on the Pureit RO membrane and you can get comparative information from the Aquaguard site and decide which is better.

      1. The Pureit RO purifier uses a Dow thin composite film spiral wound RO membrane.

      2. It has a rated life of 800 hours correlating to 6600 - 9000 litres of purified water depending on input water pressure and TDS.

      3. It can work with TDS of maximum of 2000 mg / litre and hardness of 500 mg / litre.

      4. TDS reduction - 95% minimum

      5. % recovery - 25% minimum

      6. Flow rate - 9 - 12 litres / hour

      4. Cost of replacement membrance is Rs. 2225/-.

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    2. Thanks a lot..

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  34. Great efforts and excellent write up. I have been searching for a suitable RO by comparing different brands. I had also zeroed in on Marvella RO and Aquaguard Total Duo (RO + UV). In the Aquaguard model the filtered water in the storage tank passes through UV every six hours thereby preventing post RO contamination by microbes. But the UV only inactivates the microbes and doesn't remove them. After reading your blog, I am doubtful about the effectiveness of UV.

    I am still confused about the stored water in the tank being contaminated with microbial growth, if not used for a day or two. How do we clean the sides of the storage tank which might also contain microbes (as it happens when you keep a mug floating in a bucket of water for sometime). How do we keep the storage tank clean in Marvella RO? What is the purpose of the UVM ie Ultra Ventilated Membrane in Marvella RO?

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    1. HUL recommends using hypochlorite to disinfect the tank. There is a Cleaning solution dispenser at the top of the tank. The hypochlorite can be bought by calling the Pureit helpline. I have not tried cleaning the tank till date.

      The UVM (also mentioned Micro Purification Membrane in the user manual) is another filter after the RO membrane, I could not find any literature on this on the internet, so I dont know the efficacy of this filter - I just accepted for what it is - another filter cant be bad though I dont know what benefit it gives.

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  35. Thanks a lot sir...A stray netizen who required just the info you shared...MAy u live a blessed life :)

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  36. Good work! I was searching for the same details. Thanks

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  37. Thanks for the good work. I am also considering to buy one marvella ro unit.

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  38. first Great Post Helped a lot !!!

    Had to ask one thing the Aqua Plus also showed a great result y didn't u considered that

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    1. Information on Aqua Plus did not seem to be easily available. I dont think it has a pan India presence. I think was based and catering to markets in Western India - Maharashtra and Gujarat.

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  39. Great Article.

    Very impressive research!!

    I narrowed down between Marvella after your article) and aquaguard protect +.
    Aquagurad has an UV filter but better service.

    Still confused .. Any pointer ?

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    1. I did not include Aquaguard in my shortlist - so I cant comment. However, do a comparison of the specs between the two and if you think that spec wise they are the approximately the same, go for the Product you feel more confident about - if you feel that Aquaguard service is better maybe that would be the factor that helps you decide which product to go for.

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    2. You are missing one point that w/o chlorine the 'purified' water in the tank is vulnerable to contamination by bacteria/ virus in absence of UV

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  40. Appreciate your great work.
    Apart from the points you covered there are two things which is bothering me.
    1. Microbial contamination of stored Water in the tank
    2. Retaining minerals in the purified water.

    I am planning to buy Whirlpool water purifier with MES (Mineral Enrichment System) which adds required minerals into the purified water in the last stage.

    Also they are avoiding the microbial re-contamination through their Silver impregnated catridge

    These two points are attarctive compared to other water purifiers. Have you done any analysis on Whirlpool water purifiers ?

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    1. No I did not analyse Whirlpool purifiers. My initial search, prior to shortlist did include Whirlpool, but there seemed to be a dearth of information about their products, and the information on their websites was not detailed enough and there were only a couple of user reviews available, so I did not pursue it further.

      I did read information about the removal of essential minerals by RO filters, but since I was more concerned about ensuring removal of contaminants from the water supply. I haven't put much thought about this, however I think options are available either by adding remineralizing drops or purchasing a remineralization cartridge that can be attached.

      I am not too concerned about recontamination, since the water is being used on a daily basis and if we are away for several days, I just empty the tank and continue.

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    2. Google has no idea abt remineralization cartridge! where do we get it?

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    3. You can purchase the Marvella RO with the optional Taste Modulator cartridge which I understand adds calcium and other minerals to the water

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    4. What mineral traces does RO remove?

      is water the only source of such minerals?

      De-mineralized water is it good for longer run?

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  41. I'm planning to replace our Aquaguard Classic filter (3 yrs old) with an RO filter. Stumbled upon this blog while searching about the available RO filters. Got lot of useful information for my further research. Thanks.

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  43. i think this writing is from hindustan lever only. as this blogger has just posted this one blog. a person who is doing this much research for water purifier and writing good in detail blog haven't posted another thing in his blog this is something weird. as far as i know you cant use RO water purifier for municipal water as that reduces tds level of water too much and low TDS is not suitable for drinking. best water purifier for low tds(municipal water) is UF purifier that are cheap and easy to maintain. RO waste too much water and as you are getting low tds water no need to go for RO as that are costly and maintenance is also high. so go for any Ultra filteration water purifier. kent Gold is cerified by NSF lab. and that comes for only 2400RS

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    1. Yes, I get it that people whining about the blogger are from Kent.

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  44. any recommendation for municipal supply in eastern UP place Ballia. In case water gets contaminated during supply with severage and pipe burst.

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    1. I would not be able to recommend anything, since I am not competent enough to do so.

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  45. Can the water that has been wasted by RO, be used for some other purpose like in washing machine or bathing?

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    1. Yes, it can be used for washing, cleaning, watering plants etc.

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  46. In the beginning of this blog you mentioned that your old Aquaguard iNova UV water purifier gave you a superb service without any maintenance cost for nearly 8 years, then it is difficult to understand why you didn't even consider any RO model from Aquaguard/Eureka Forbes in your shortlisted study?
    Please provide your views on this.

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    1. Well, it did provide UV treated water for 8 years. Only I do not know how effective it was. In my blog, the Krystalle UV filter provided only a 1.45 reduction in the NIV Hepatitis removal test and UV filters will not get rid of contaminants like arsenic, nitrates, pesticides etc. from water.

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    2. Well, it is not the answer of my question.
      Sorry if I am sounding a bit investigative but I'm just curious.
      I'm not a fan of aquaguard either, but I am trying to understand what was the criterian that left if out even from the comparative study of RO systems despite being a market leader (I guess it should be at least in top 5 brands)in water purifiers.
      As I saw from your detailed anlysis, you compared several RO systems, but you didn't mention aquaguard's/Eureka Forbes' RO model even once in your analysis right from the beginning.
      Any special reason? Did something annoyed you about their service etc. during your experience with iNova?

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    3. Your answer above talks about UV model, while I'm asking about RO model, since your study was mainly about the RO systems.

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    4. Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I did not consider Aquaguard because once I purchased the UV filter, I never saw them again. Even though they had mentioned that during the warranty period they would make free periodic service visits.

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    5. Dear Sir,
      Please suggest me best water purifier for home purpose, I am living in Nasik so which would be the better option. Please reply me on my mail. I am waiting for your reply.

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    6. Get your water tested. Once tested, you will be in a better position to decide on the type of filter that should go for.

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  47. Thanks for the detailed blog. Now i could narrow down to a particular RO filter. Any idea on the AMC rates.

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  48. This is a wonderful blog... Helps to narrow down the search.. Keep up the good work.

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  49. How can I be sure if this review is not from HUL itself ,too boost their sales.

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    1. Do do not have to buy a Pureit filter. This blog was just narrates what I went through when I bought a water purifier. Please use my blog only provide help in your your own search for a purifier. Purchase the purifier that best suits your needs after doing your own additional research. Just because I landed up buying a Pureit purifier does not mean that I am recommending that you buy the same one. You might find a ZeroB or Aquaguard or some other brand better suits your needs.

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  50. Thanks a lot for such a good post for a layman like me.I want to know the follwing things, hope you would get time to share your views:
    1-the relevance of RO water purifiers in Delhi as there is only Municipality water, no well water.
    2- Does non-RO purifiers change the teste of water as Delhi Jal Board water wont teste good, so I purchase water canes.
    3- Would the water of Non-RO purifier be same in teste as water canes supplied by local vendors?
    Thanks a lot once again

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    1. The best thing to do would be to get your water tested to find out what contaminants are there in your water supply. Decide on the type of water purifier once you get the results of the water test.

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  51. Have you written any other articles or this is the only one blog you have written.

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  52. One simple and straight question dear friend. Do not mistake my intent for seeking you to answer me this one - are an HLL Employee, their Biz Associate, or a PR agency engaged by HLL ? We know the kind of tricks MNC companies play to sell their products. I reppeat, pl do not feel offended for being asked this question. Thanks !

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    1. I am not an employee, biz associate or PR agency. I just landed up buying the Pureit filter. For all you know based on long term use of filter if I do find problems I will be updating this blog and - for example if something stops working or the membranes do no last as I expect - or if there are problems with HUL attending to and fixing issues.
      So just because I bought a Pureit filter does not mean that I will not have negative views of the product over a period of time.

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  53. Great info. Thanks for sharing. I am planning to put one water purifier. Today I called Aquaguard person for demo. He tested my homes tap water and told that PPM: 570 and suggested me to buy Aquaguard Enhance RO, which costs 13,990/-. Can someone suggest me is it a good deal or I will go with other brand such as Kent or Zero B. Actually the person told that Aquaguard for some water purifier award 2012 also he told that Second and 3rd company after are Kent and Zero B but nowhere he mentioned about HUL.

    Anyway please suggest me good water purified.

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    1. I was so close to change my mind to buy pureit marvella after reading this blog but accidentally came across another blog athttp://consumervoiceblog.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/52/.Check the info for details.

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    2. I'vd seen that before. This has come before the Consumer complaints Council of the ASCI see:

      http://www.bestmediainfo.com/2011/12/asci-upholds-complaints-against-17-ads-during-july-august/

      Excerpt -
      "There was a complaint against an ad of Hindustan Unilever’s Pureit Water Purifier, that the commercial make a claim of “Pureit 1 Crore safety challenge”. CCC considered the technical proof provided by the advertiser and the complainant and concluded that while Pureit “meets USA’s EPA stringent germ-kill criteria”, it is not the only one to do so. The claim, “It’s been 2 years and till date no purifier in India has been able to meet Pureit’s safety challenge”, was found misleading."

      So it ASCI basically just mentions that HUL Pureit will remove viruses as per US EPA standards present in water (99.99% for viruses). So if there is 10,000,000 virus in 1 litre of water Pureit should remove at least 9,999,000 viruses. So I think the number of virus per litre is immaterial - whatever the number at least 99.99% will be removed as per EPA standards. Though in the NIV test 100% was removed though a much lower concentration.

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  54. Hello, a great piece of research you've done.
    I've a question though. The schematic water flow diagram of HUL Marvella RO shows an optional "Taste Modulator". Is it same as TDS modulator by kent? I inquired about the cost of this optional part by the representative of company who came for a demo. He said this is installed by company anyways and not charged extra. So anyone of you who are using HUL Marvella RO has this optional taste modulator installed in your system?

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    1. I dont know what the Taste modulator is, I never did enquire about it. Maybe, you can contact the helpline and get more information about this optional fitting and how much it costs.

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    2. It has been mentioned in the catalogue of Marvella RO that it is equipped witha Unique 'TDS Modulator + Mineral Enhancer' cartridge which enriches the water with vital minerals like Calcium. It also helps in improving the pH of water.

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    3. Please go through the link http://www.pureitwater.com/IN/marvellaro/images/leaflet_main.pdf
      which is being provided to support my claim.I hope this is being provided free of cost with the installation kit as it is mentioned as a 'Unique feature of Pureit Marvella RO' in the catalogue. More comments are welcome.

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    4. The user manual show the taste modulator as an optional item. In all probability it does not come with this optional item.

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  55. Thanks for sharing the valuable info. I would like to know the replacement cost of the germkit battery (Carbon and sediment filters). It is strange to note that even after six months of usage of your Marvella RO,these parts are functioning fine for you. Whereas, in the reviews and customers complaints which I saw, most customers had their Marvella RO Germkit replaced during the first four months of usage. Sorry for having offended you.

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    1. It has a rated life of 400 hours, so even if I was to use the purifier for 1 hour a day it should last for at least a year.

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  56. You mentioned the output having TDS value of 25 initially, what is the output value nowadays? What about the taste of water, is it bland/tasteless or of a sweet taste? Please elaborate. It would help us in selection process.

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    1. The current TDS readings are in the 10 - 15 range. I mentioned an initial TDS value of less than 25.

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  57. good post.
    the amount of salt and harmful chemicals rejection finally boils down to the quality of the RO membrane used. should there be a need to replace the RO membrane it better be DOW FILMTEC.

    http://kent-pearl-ro-water-purifier.blogspot.com
    vn

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  58. First of all, thanks a ton for posting this and answering all the questions.

    I am a novice and have a very basic questions for my specific need, I hope you'll find some time to answer it.

    I don't have running Tap water. I depend on Municipal water from Hyderabad Water board. I store the water in traditional stainless steel pots. The water looks yellowish and its difficult to evven think about drinking that water. I am using a very basic Rs/- 1000 filter which is not very effective.
    Can you please recommend which type of water purifier can help me here considering there is no running water from Tap.
    Just FYi, budget is not a constraint.

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    1. Get your water tested. Once you get your water tested you can then decide what type of purifier you need to purchase

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  59. Fantastic Post. My question is on a different issue, and that is wastage of water in RO bases water purifiers. My understanding from the research I have done till now is that RO based water purifiers waste 75 to 90% of water. Now in water scarce country like India, wasting water at this level will be criminal.
    So my question is, do you know anything about water wastage with PureIt Marvella RO?

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    1. Yes, the wastage with Marvella RO is in the 70 - 75% range. However, you can collect the waste water and use it for washing, cleaning floors, watering plants etc.

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  60. Truly appreciate the efforts and time you have invested in one of the most vital but often ignored (or taken lightly) health concern.

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  61. Truly appreciate the efforts and time you have invested in one of the most vital but often ignored (or taken lightly) health concern.

    Any clue, if PureIt Marvella RO will work in villages where the source of water is from well in the close proximity. Will the effectiveness be same when compared to corporation supplied water.

    Request your inputs.
    Thanks in advance.
    havisha.vijay@msn.com

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    1. If the well water is pumped to an overhead tank the RO filter should work - it needs a minimum pressure of 5 psi for it to work. You will need to get your well water tested to decide whether an RO filter is required.

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  62. good job...great work!!!

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  63. Tx MM for your thorough research and for sharing! I too am deciding which RO to go for. The Pureit guy came and did a demo, but we found it a bit bulky to hang on wall in our small kitchen. We looked at the Kent Excell+ which has a hydrostatic tank all of which can go under the sink and is linked to a faucet on the sink. It seems much more convenient! The water TDS count is 280 and so not having a pre-filter may not be such a problem. Am just afraid of the poor after service comments. Pureit seems to be more on the ball...Sam

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  64. Hello there MMsBlog,

    Thanks for the analysis... this helps us take it a step further as can be seen in the comments section here:

    1. I was checking Pureit products on their site:
    http://www.pureitwater.com/IN/compare-pureit-products

    The marvella model is priced way more than its other counterparts...key difference being lower capacity than others, wall mountable & a water jug. Have you checked the other models... are they too bulky?

    2. Also, is it really supposed switch off i.e., stop working - when the germkill kit decides so? "Auto Shut off: Water shuts off when Germkill Kit™ is exhausted and turns red". That's not very impressive, isn't it? I would like to know from you and others when that dreaded moment comes/came!

    Many thanks.

    PS: You could make a reference in your article that the discussion in the comments section is worth reading too.

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    1. 1. The pareit comparison site you have given does not include the Marvella RO prufier which has been discussed in this blog. The Marvella RO purifier has a list price of Rs.13500/-.

      2. The system does not switch off immediately. The indicator blinks RED continuously once CSF usage has crossed
      385 hours. The indicator turns completely RED after 400 hours is over and it must be replaced. This is when the system will shut off water flow. So you can use the purifier for 15 hours before it shuts off completely, which could be 1 to 2 weeks depending on usage. So you need to replace the CSF kit within the available 1 - 2 weeks.

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  65. Thank you for sharing such an exhaustive thorough research!!! I have no knowledge of purifiers and this will definitely help me make my decision. Thanks.

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  66. Thanks alot, really good info.

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  67. Superb Blog! Am going to Buy Marvella RO Purifier pretty soon...Thanks to the blogger and trust me it really helped me a lot to understand the minutes and important aspects about water purifiers. I wish to keep in touch, plz do let me know your email address. You can email me on amish4u1983@gmail.com

    Thanks!

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  68. Hey.. Thanks for posting your analysis! I have a few questions tho! Currently we are consuming borewell water for drinking purpose. We now want a water purifier in place, but cannot give borwell water as direct input for the purifier!

    Im in a situation where in my tap water is a mix of local(corporation) and borewell water. The proportion of the mix is not at all consistent!

    1. If i give this tap water as input for my water filter, will it be efficient?
    2. Considering the mix is inconsistent, will it be good for health over a long run?
    3. Also since it is a mix, will there be more maintenance charges for replacing the filter?

    If this is not efficient/good i have one last option to collect borewell water in a separate tank and redirect it to water-filter.
    What do you suggest?

    How will we know it is time to replace the filter? is there any idicator for that? or should we test the purified water at regular intervals?

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    1. 1. Check the TDS of your tap water. If the TDS is above 200, the RO purifier will work without problems.

      2. Inconsistent mix should not be a problem. provided the TDS in exceeds 200. On one day TDS might be 250 and the next day the TDS can be 350, will not be a problem for the RO purifier. The RO purifier manual mentions that TDS should be above 200 to work properly.

      3. The RO membrane has a rated life of 800 hours, and water passes through the RO filter only after going through three filters. Mixed water should not affect life of RO membrane.

      4. The purifier has a indicator showing that it is time to change the membrane.

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    1. Go with the product you are most comfortable with - if you are happy with Aquaguard and their services go for it, they also sell RO purifiers.

      I have only had the Pureit for around 6 - 7 months so cannot comment on reliability over a long period of time. Nor, can I comment on after sales service yet, since I am yet require any repair or change of any consumable till date.

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  70. Can you please shed some light on "TDS sensor" / "TDS controller" technology from both aquaguard vs Kent respectively, which is missing on PureIt. Are those technologies do the work as expected/ projected? Thank you for your research. I am relocating to an area where ground water is used only and the water is hard in those localities. I am yet to decide a model.

    Thnx.

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    1. I dont know about Aquaguard, but in Kent I understand that the TDS controller is nothing but a switch that allows some raw water to mix with the purified water to add "minerals" to the filtered water. However, the danger in this method is that all the contaminants in the raw water get into the filtered water.

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    2. "but in Kent I understand that the TDS controller is nothing but a switch that allows some raw water to mix with the purified water to add "minerals" to the filtered water"
      I wonder any responsible manufacturer will do a thing as you have stated. Because it can be very risky for their sustenance itself.

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  71. Excellent research and writeup

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  72. When it comes to RO purfiers, the amount of water wastage is huge. Not everyone really needs a RO purifier. If everyone goes for a RO purifier, I dread to imagine the amount of water wastage (knowing not everyone will give it a thought)....

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  74. Do they have any model whch runs only with Power. I overheard from some source that its using both Power and Battery. In that case what will be the battery life and cost? will this be a headache in future? (Replacing battery?)

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    1. The Marvella RO model runs only on power. No batteries are used in this model.

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  75. In case of water having a TDS of 500 ppm or less, What is the use of RO _ could you comment on this please

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    1. If your water supply has contaminants like arsenic, nitrates, pesticides etc. these will be removed by an RO filter even if the TDS count is less than 500. These contaminants will not be deactivated by a UV filter.

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  76. Good research , but i as per my investigation on net ,UV is not enough to make water pure.and lot of searching ,i found the UF (Ultrafiltration)technology is best suited for the home use.
    Please check the the Link http://urbansensors.net/zen/
    Please let me know your views.

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    1. My article is not on UV filters. It is on RO filters for purifying water. My understanding is that UF filters will remove viruses, bacteria etc. but they will not filter out some dangerous metal ions like mercury etc. because the size of these ions are in the .002 - .005 micron range, which is smaller than the pores of UF filters. You would require a nano filter rather than a UF filter to get remove these metals from water. RO filters are capable of removing these metal ions from the water. See the following document :

      http://www.safewater.org/PDFS/resourcesknowthefacts/Ultrafiltration_Nano_ReverseOsm.pdf

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  77. UV water purifiers: EsselNasaka, health care division from Essel and Okaya power Group offers water purifier machine to provide pure and healthy water for your desired need.

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  78. Hi MM Blog
    Thanks for sharing your detailed analysis.

    I need your advise on finalizing one of the suitable water purifier. My Mom is suffering from Kidney problems, hence I need to ensure that the purifiers are not using any chemicals during the water cleaning process (Germ kill process or in Taste Enhancer etc). Our Cauvery Water TDS level is around 180. In fact I have sent the water for Lab test and the reports indicate water is good in accordance with ISO 20 point check standards. Not sure how far these results are accurate.

    Does Pureit RO system is suitable when TDS levels are below 200.

    My requirement is to reduce the chemical contents and Bacteria and viruses in the water, not sure what I should look for in a specific product.

    Any advise in this matter would be highly appreciated.

    Cheers, Karun

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    1. The Pureit literature mentions that the TDS level should be at least 200. However, recently I did a TDS check on my water and it showed only around 180 and the purified water showed a TDS of 15, so it did work when the TRS was less than 200, however, you will have to check with HUL whether it will work properly with a TDS level of less than 200.

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  79. Hi MM Blog,
    Thanks for sharing the wonderful analysis with us.

    Need your suggestion. My borewell water TDS is 380, and it contains Floride 1.87. The lab test report certify not potable for drinking purpose.As per internet I should use RO based water purifier.

    Let me know what is your suggestion. I am based in Bangalore.

    Cheers,
    Sultan

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    1. An RO filter should be able to remove flouride, however the only way to be sure is to run your water through an RO filter and get the purified water re-tested to confirm that the flouride has been removed and that the water is potable.

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  80. Any feedback on Gilma 6 stage RO water purifier please?

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  82. Hi MM Blog,
    Thanks for your detail analysis. I purchased pureit marvella ro yesterday. The unit make noise(motor noise) while in use, is that normal? also I wanted to know how the water turns tasty, do they use any chemical to induce taste??

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    1. The pump on my RO unit does make a slight noise, so I would think it is normal. I have no idea how your water tasty, The schematics Marvella does show a 'Taste modulator' module as an optional attachment, does your unit have this 'Taste modulator' module attached?

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    2. yes my unit has this modulator, still I wanted to know how the water turns tasty??... like bottled water. My water is a bore-well water and its tasteless.

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    3. The documentation for the taste enhancer mentions 'Marvella RO is equipped with unique "TDS Modulator+Mineral Enhancer" cartridge which enriches the water with vital minerals like calcium. It also helps to improve the PH of water. This ensures your water is not only tasty but also more healthy.'

      which would explain why your water has taste to it.

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  83. Hi Friend, how is HUL after sales service and how much is annual maintenance for your RO model?
    Is there any exchange with old model from acqua guard?

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    1. I cannot comment on HUL after sales service, since I have had no reason to call them yet. I guess that I will most probably need to call them when it comes time to change the cartridges. I will update this page when that happens. I have not taken any AMC with HUL, and I have no idea if there is any exchange scheme currently on for old water filters.

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  84. Thanks for such a detailed description on waterpurifiers.
    The product u suggested is available in flipkart alsothanks

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  85. thanks a lot, u have resolved my big problem... :)

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  86. Really Nice & Detailed Article, worth the every sentence. You queried my most of the doubts.. :)

    Thanks,
    Manish Nashikkar

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  87. To MMsBlog
    Wow. What an explanation. Its really helpful. Thanks. One Stop Water Purifier shop. Great

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  88. Hi MM. It is really and elaborate study - thanks for enlightening every body through the detailed process. I am confused over finalizing between
    1. Hindustan Unilever Pureit Marvella RO @ Rs 13500 and
    2. Eureka Forbes Green RO Water Purifier @ Rs 13,990
    If you could please suggest and help which one to purchase from two above and reasons for the same
    Thanks, Nitin

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  90. Great research, i appreciate and thankful to you for posting it online.

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  91. AWAITING YOUR REVERT PLEASE >>>>>>

    Original requested on 16th Mar

    Hi MM. It is really and elaborate study - thanks for enlightening every body through the detailed process. I am confused over finalizing between
    1. Hindustan Unilever Pureit Marvella RO @ Rs 13500 and
    2. Eureka Forbes Green RO Water Purifier @ Rs 13,990
    If you could please suggest and help which one to purchase from two above and reasons for the same
    Thanks, Nitin

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    1. I have no idea about the Eureka Forbes Green RO Purifier, since I did not shortlist Aquaguard when I decided to purchase an RO purifier. Some of the specs of the MArvello RO purifier are

      1. The Pureit RO purifier uses a Dow thin composite film spiral wound RO membrane.

      2. It has a rated life of 800 hours correlating to 6600 - 9000 litres of purified water depending on input water pressure and TDS.

      3. It can work with TDS of maximum of 2000 mg / litre and hardness of 500 mg / litre.

      4. TDS reduction - 95% minimum

      5. % recovery - 25% minimum

      6. Flow rate - 9 - 12 litres / hour

      4. Cost of replacement membrance is Rs. 2225/-.

      You can get comparative information from the Aquaguard site and decide which is better. Other than specification look for user reviews, after sales service in your area etc. and then make your decision.

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  92. Hello, thanks for the wonderful share. Could u let me kno w whether Pureit Marvella RO filter can be used at virar, thane.

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    1. Get your water tested and then you can determine whether Marvella Pureit can be used at your location.

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  98. Great Post :). i have tested the TDS in the water and it is around 650. I stay in bangalore. Is it good to go on with pure it marvella RO. Please reply back.

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    1. Sure you could go for a Marvella RO. I think it can handle a TDS of upto 2000. I have not had to change the RO membrane, filters till date so cannot comment on how good their customer service is.

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  99. Hello MM,

    I am still wondering about removal of Bacteria and Virus in Marvella RO, Since I don't find any UV & UF filters employed inside the purifiers.

    Could you please throw light on this subject.

    Thank you

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    1. The pore size in an RO membrane is smaller than the size of bacteria and viruses and therefore will remove them during the filtration process.

      RO membrane pore size : <= 0.001 microns
      Virus size : >= .02 microns
      Bacteria size : >= 1 micron

      See the diagram in the linked pdf for more information:
      http://www.safewater.org/PDFS/resourcesknowthefacts/Ultrafiltration_Nano_ReverseOsm.pdf

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  101. Hey bro, great article. It seems u have done ur research well. We are a family of 8, the water we get is saline (borewell+pure water). And further we use the same drinking water for cooking too. Thats about 40-50 ltrs of purified water daily. I have been thinking of switching to aquaguard's UV or to a purifier with polysulfon ultrafiltration membrane. But it seems that amc for my big family would be forbiddingly high for uf membrane(membrane life about 5000 ltr and costs about 2000). I dont knwo amc for aquaguard or the one you have mentioned. Could you please tell me amc for both of these (or any others u know of) in terms of water output. Also if u know cud u give me a link giving a list of purifiers' amc in terms of water o/p.

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    1. I do not have information on high quantity economical RO filters. You might have to additional research on this

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  104. Hey,

    The TDS which you are getting out of Pureit is very low. I heard that if the TDS is less than 30 it is not good for drinking purpose. Can you please comment on this.

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    1. If the TDS is less than 30 does not mean the water is bad, it just means that the water you drink might not have some of the minerals that you would get with normal water. If this is a concern, the optional Taste Modulator can be installed in the filter which will add back minerals to the water

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  105. 1. What is the TDS level you are getting after purification?

    2. I was going through the manual of Marvella, it has one component called taste modulator. Is this something like "TDS Controller", where in it adds back some raw water to add some amount of minerals? like in kent?

    3. Is the taste modulator present in all modules? They say its optional, how will we know if it is present at the time of purchase? If not how much would it cost to get it installed?

    4. Looks like its about an year since you are using this filter, how is it? Did you have to replace the filters for the first time?

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    1. 1. Between 15 - 30

      2. The Taste modulator is not like Kent, it is a separate remineralisation cartridge which adds back calcium and other minerals to the water (see schematic diagram).

      3. You need to ask for it when you purchase it.

      4. Yes, one year (13 months) is complete and I have not had the need yet to change any cartridge or filter.

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    2. How much does the taste modulator cost?

      How can we verify that if taste modulator is actually installed? we may have to open the unit to check that right?

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  107. Appreciate your research about the subject. However, I think having TDS controller is a great bliss which PureIt Marvella misses.

    For example, I want at least 150 TDS in my water, but with PureIt Marvella I have no choice but to stick with 25 TDS.

    Most of the local brand purifiers does the same. They just bring the TDS down to 25 and showcase their efficiency. However, TDS should be controllable. Water with TDS between 200-300 is supposed to be healthy.

    Regards,
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    1. The TDS controller in concept is a good idea, however, the problem is how is achieved. I understand that Kent just adds raw water to the RO filtered water to achieve the required TDS. This method is not safe in my opinion, since you would be drinking raw water mixed with filtered water. The optional 'taste modulator' cartridge can be fixed in the Marvella RO filter to add minerals to the RO filtered water, which I think is the better way to go.

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  108. Very impressive you have done very good research before posting this article, and you have to Compare water purifiers before purchasing it..

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  109. Hi..........

    I don't know whether this article is a publicity stunt from HUL, which I personally don't believe it can be. However, would like to express my thanks to all of you for your comments, as yesterday I have bought Pureit Marvella RO and got it installed today.

    I was not able to think beyond Kent and only Kent for the last many days, but was not able to trust after knowing very bad experience of my cousin. But, after going through this blog I made up my mind for Pureit Marvella RO. Thank you very much.

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  113. An imp. point, including for owner of this article - one major concern is that extremly low TDS level could be very harmful to human body in the long run. Recommended TDS level is 50-150 as I serached, preferred ~ 100.

    Check it - we say we consume vegitables and fruits to get essential minirals. But low mineral water consumed for long time try to saturate back its minerals from our body while passing down and wash away essential minerals in part. This can lead to new age desiese like dimensia and others.

    Simple solution could be to replace RO membrane that would out ~100 TDS of water, depending upon input water TDS. But correct/saturated TDS/mineral is must for a healthy life - irrespective of any RO brand.

    And the research above seems quite impressive and helped me, I would say.

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    1. An RO purifier cannot distinguish between a dangerous contaminant and a useful mineral, it all depends on the size of the contaminant/mineral. Therefore, by allowing a TDS of say 100, you could get both minerals and contaminants in your water, negating the use of the filter. Therefore, it is better to have a remineralization cartridge (like the taste modulator offered in the Marvella RO) after the RO filtration to adds back minerals to the purified water.

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  114. Nice one, was completely confused between the kent and pureit. This blog clears all my doubts.. thanks a lot.

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  117. Thanks for the helpful post. I already have kent but after reading this decided to go with Pureit. The kent replacement filters are substandard which gives half the life of the original. I believe that this is done intentionally by many Manufacturers go fleece the customers. So this time no for kent.

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  118. Dear MMsBlog et al,

    This indeed was a thought provoking blog. Though I wonder why Aquaguard was not included, giving the fact that they are still the number ONE in India.

    Having used Aquaguard Classic UV filter for almost 13 years, it was time to move to RO based water filter, not because it stopped working but TDS count in bore-well water started exceeding 500ppm. Though it is still a border case yet I decided to install RO filter.

    Now came the big question, which brand and which model???

    This is when I started goggling about reviews/feedback etc on different RO products available in India. I came across this blog and it really helped me.

    Thanks to MMsBlog.

    I was having following three brands in my list:

    1. Aquaguard RO
    2. Kent
    3. Unilever- PureIT Marvella

    I listed down following points in the order of priority on which I'm going to rate each one of these:

    1. Customer Service - Water filter needs constant maintenance no matter how good the product is

    2. Ability to control TDS in filtered water - This was important for me because if TDS level of incoming water goes up/down I should be able to ensure my family gets

    at least 50ppm water after filtration.

    3. Ease of cleaning - This is required to maintain a good hygiene inside water storage tank and around RO system

    4. Operating cost - I should know how frequently I need to replace membrane and other filters and what is the cost.

    5. Cost of ownership - Capital expenditure I need to incur to own the product.

    Now comes the analysis:

    a) Kent RO:
    1) I got mixed feedback about customer service
    2) Somehow I was under the impression that Kent is the only one providing TDS control option, but this blog clarified the method (I also verified) used which

    resulted in a big NO to Kent. I mean, how can they mix unfiltered water to filtered water??? This was bizarre. I didn't proceed further on Kent.

    b) Pureit Marvella -
    1) I called up their customer service for a demo and guess what two persons arrived at the same time. One from the company directly and another one from some

    franchisee. They started a verbal fight with each other on who came first and who will give demo. The one came from company told me that call-center leaks leads to
    franchisee and this a common scean. This almost concluded my interest in Pureit.
    2) Marevella doesn't have a way to control TDS. If I move to a place where incoming water is less hard, I'll have to change system itself.
    3) Acceptable though water tank was not transparent
    4) Membrane needs to be changed every 10k Ltr of water. Cost is around 2500/-
    5) 15-16 k

    c) Aquaguard RO (Reviva):
    1) I myself have had excellent customer service for 13 years so no doubts there at all.
    2) Aquaguard has 3 different type of membrane, with 70%, 90% and 99% filtration options. A big plus on flexibility to have variable TDS.
    3) Clearly visible storage drum and easy access for period cleaning
    4) They have added a unique module which enhances membrane life (Membrane Life Enhancer - MLE) and membrane last 20k of water. cost is around 2000/-.
    5) REVIVA model cost 12990/-.

    Clearly Aquaguard was obvious choice.

    I requested them to extend waste water pipe further to enable me to use it for watering plants etc and they happily did that without any extra cost.

    Great experience !


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